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Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby Scottish » Tue Aug 05, 2014 12:27 am

First off, I don't proclaim these as gospel and am happy to amend on the basis of more accurate information received. These are though, the most accurate records I can compile for various competitions.

Record attendance progression in Scotland - all matches
4,000 Scotland v England 30/11/1872, International Hamilton Crescent, Partick
7,000 Scotland v England 7/3/1874, International Hamilton Crescent, Partick
7,000 Queen's Park v Renton 10/4/1875, Scottish Cup Final, 1st Hampden Park, Glasgow
16,000 Scotland v England 4/3/1876, International, Hamilton Crescent, Partick
17,000 Scotland v Wales 25/3/1876, International, Hamilton Crescent, Partick
18,391 Third Lanark v Celtic 2/2/1889, Scottish Cup Final*, 2nd Hampden Park, Glasgow
26,379 Scotland v England 5/4/1890, International Championship, 2nd Hampden Park, Glasgow
45,017 Scotland v England, 7/4/1894, International Championship, Celtic Park, Glasgow
51,345 Scotland v England 4/4/1896, International Championship, Celtic Park, Glasgow
63,000 Scotland v England 7/4/1900, International Championship, Celtic Park, Glasgow
68,114 Scotland v England 5/4/1902, International Championship, Ibrox Park, Glasgow**
121,452 Scotland v England 4/4/1908, International Championship, 3rd Hampden Park, Glasgow
127,307 Scotland v England 23/3/1912, International Championship, 3rd Hampden Park, Glasgow
131,273 Scotland v England 13/4/1929, International Championship, 3rd Hampden Park, Glasgow
136,259 Scotland v England 1/4/1933, International Championship, 3rd Hampden Park, Glasgow
149,547 Scotland v England 17/4/1937 International Championship, 3rd Hampden Park, Glasgow
* This match was subject to a successful protest and replayed a week later with a crowd of 17,278 which would also have been a record.
** The Ibrox Disaster of 1902 which was subsequently deemed unofficial.
Whether protested or unofficial these games took place with these crowds in attendance and in my opinion should be counted. Others may of course disagree.

Progression of Scottish league attendances
3,500 Rangers v Hearts 16/8/1890
5,000 Hearts v Celtic 23/8/1890
12,000 Third Lanark v Celtic 13/9/1890
12,000 Celtic v Rangers 22/8/1891
12,500 Clyde v Celtic 29/8/1891
16,000 Celtic v Hearts 17/10/1891
16,000 Celtic v Rangers 22/9/1894
24,000 Celtic v Hearts 3/11/1894
25,500 Celtic v Rangers 14/12/1895
31,000 Rangers v Celtic 27/9/1897
50,000 Celtic v Rangers 11/4/1898
71,000 Rangers v Celtic 18/2/1905
71,500 Rangers v Celtic 2/1/1911
83,000 Celtic v Rangers 1/1/1914
83,500 Celtic v Rangers 20/9/1930
94,811 Rangers v Celtic 1/1/1937
118,567 Rangers v Celtic 2/1/1939

Progression of Scottish Cup attendances
1,900 Queen’s Park v Clydesdale 23/3/1874 Final 1st Hampden
7,000 Queen’s Park v Renton 10/4/1875 Final 1st Hampden
10,000 Queen’s Park v Vale of Leven 8/1/1876 Semi-Final 1st Hampden
10,000 Queen’s Park v Third Lanark 11/3/1876 Final Hamilton Crescent
12,000 Vale of Leven v Rangers 17/3/1877 Final Hamilton Crescent
14,000 Vale of Leven v Rangers 7/4/1877 Final replay Hamilton Crescent
15,000 Dumbarton v Vale of Leven 7/4/1883 Final replay 1st Hampden
18,391 Third Lanark v Celtic Final protested 3/2/1889 2nd Hampden
26,000 Celtic v Queen’s Park 7/9/1889 R1 Celtic Park
26,000 Celtic v Queen’s Park 9/4/1892 Final Ibrox
26,000 Celtic v Queen’s Park 18/1/1896 R1 Celtic Park
35,000 Celtic v Queen’s Park 25/2/1899 QF Celtic Park
35,000 Rangers v Hibernian 22/3/1902 Semi-Final Ibrox
64,472 Celtic v Rangers 16/4/1904 Final 3rd Hampden
70,320 Celtic v Rangers 10/4/1909 Final 3rd Hampden
98,466 Rangers v Celtic 6/3/1920 QF Ibrox
101,714 Celtic v Rangers 21/3/1925 Semi-Final 3rd Hampden
118,115 Rangers v Celtic 14/4/1928 Final 3rd Hampden
147,365 Celtic v Aberdeen 17/4/1937 Final 3rd Hampden

I discount the figures of 37,000/39,000 for the Scottish Cup Final between Celtic and Queen's Park on 12/3/1892 (which was subject to a successful protest) as these were estimates with 25,897 actually paying for admission. This is to keep consistent with claims made about the 1923 FA Cup Final where statisticians have in the main accepted the official figure of 126,047 as opposed to claims of 200,000 or even 300,000.

Progression of Scottish League Cup attendances
25,000 Aberdeen v Falkirk 21/9/1946 Section match Pittodrie
34,639 Queen’s Park v Rangers 28/9/1946 Section match 3rd Hampden
50,000 Rangers v Morton 5/10/1946 Section match Ibrox
123,654 Rangers v Hibernian 22/3/1947 Semi-final 3rd Hampden (130,830 tickets sold)

Progression of league attendances in England
8,000 Everton v Accrington (NOT Stanley) 8/9/1888
8,000 Blackburn Rovers v West Bromwich Albion 22/9/1888
10,000 Everton v Aston Villa 6/10/1888
10,200 Preston North End v West Bromwich Albion 13/10/1888
15,000 Everton v Preston North End 19/1/1889
18,000 Everton v Preston North End 16/11/1889
18,000 Sunderland v Blackburn Rovers 7/11/1891
20,000 The Wednesday v Sunderland 29/10/1892
20,000 Sunderland v Preston North End 17/12/1892
27,500 Everton v Preston North End 11/2/1893
30,000 Everton v Sunderland 30/9/1893
44,000 Everton v Liverpool 13/10/1894
45,000 Everton v Liverpool 3/10/1896
45,000 Everton v Liverpool 24/9/1898
50,000 Aston Villa v Sheffield United 3/3/1900
50,000 Everton v Liverpool 22/9/1900
56,000 Newcastle United v Sunderland 30/12/1905
67,000 Chelsea v Manchester United 13/4/1906 *
70,000 Chelsea v Newcastle United 27/12/1909
70,000 Chelsea v Aston Villa 2/4/1920
77,272 Chelsea v Tottenham Hotspur 16/10/1920
79,491 Manchester City v Arsenal 23/2/1935
82,905 Chelsea v Arsenal 12/10/1935
83,260 Manchester United v Arsenal 17/1/1948 (Maine Road)
* This was a Second Division match.

Progression of FA Cup attendances
1,500 Upton Park v Clapham Rovers 11/11/1871 R1 West Ham Park, London
2,000 Wanderers v Clapham Rovers 16/12/1871 R2 The Oval, London
2,000 Crystal Palace 1 v Royal Engineers 17/2/1872 Semi-Final The Oval, London
2,000 Wanderers v Queen’s Park 5/3/1872 Semi-Final The Oval. London
2,000 Wanderers v Royal Engineers 16/3/1872 Final The Oval, London
3,000 Wanderers v Oxford University 29/3/1873 Final Lillie Bridge, London
3,000 Clapham Rovers v Pilgrims 5/12/1874 R2 Tooting Bec Common, London
3,000 Royal Engineers v Old Etonians 16/3/1875 Final replay The Oval, London
3,785 Wanderers v 1st Surrey Rifles 23/10/1875 R1 The Oval, London
4,000 Wanderers v Crystal Palace 1 11/12/1875 R2 The Oval, London
4,000 Wanderers v Swifts 26/2/1876 Semi-Final The Oval, London
4,000 Wanderers v Pilgrims 20/1/1877 R3 The Oval, London
4,000 Wanderers v Cambridge University 20/3/1877 Semi-Final The Oval, London
4,500 Wanderers v Royal Engineers 23/3/1878 Final The Oval, London
5,000 Old Etonians v Clapham Rovers 29/3/1879 Final The Oval, London
5,500 Blackburn Rovers v Darwen 6/12/1879 R2 Alexandra Meadows, Blackburn
6,000 Clapham Rovers v Oxford University 10/4/1880 Final The Oval, London
6,000 Darwen v Blackburn Olympic 29/10/1881 R1 Barley Bank, Darwen
8,000 Blackburn Rovers v Wednesbury Old Athletic 11/2/1882 R5 Leamington Road, Blackburn
8,000 Blackburn Rovers v The Wednesday 6/3/1882 Semi-Final St John’s Ground, Fartown, Huddersfield *
8,000 Blackburn Rovers v The Wednesday 15/3/1882 Semi-Final replay Fallowfield, Manchester
11,000 Notts County v Aston Villa 3/3/1883 R5 Trent Bridge, Nottingham
15,000 Queen’s Park v Blackburn Olympic 1/3/1884 Semi-Final Trent Bridge, Nottingham
15,000 Blackburn Rovers v Notts County 1/3/1884 Semi-Final Aston Lower Grounds, Birmingham
22,088 Aston Villa v West Bromwich Albion 3/1/1885 R3 Perry Barr, Birmingham
22,688 Preston North End v West Bromwich Albion 16/3/1889 Semi-Final Bramall Lane, Sheffield
23,000 Blackburn Rovers v Notts County 21/3/1891 Final The Oval, London
28,000 Aston Villa v Sunderland 27/2/1892 Semi-Final Bramall Lane, Sheffield
32,810 West Bromwich Albion v Aston Villa 19/3/1892 Final The Oval, London
45,067 Wolves v Everton 25/3/1893 Final Fallowfield, Manchester
48,836 The Wednesday v Wolves 18/4/1896 Final Crystal Palace, London
65,891 Aston Villa v Everton 10/4/1897 Final Crystal Palace, London
73,833 Sheffield United v Derby County 15/4/1899 Final Crystal Palace, London
110,820 Tottenham Hotspur v Sheffield United 20/4/1901 Final Crystal Palace, London
120,081 Aston Villa v Sunderland 19/4/1913 Final Crystal Palace, London
126,047 Bolton Wanderers v West Ham United 28/4/1923 Final Wembley Stadium, London
* This was the only senior football match to be played at this Rugby & Cricket ground which later became a Rugby League venue.


Football League Cup progression of attendances *
20,022 Bristol Rovers v Fulham 26/9/1960 R1 Eastville, Bristol
21,864 Derby County v Norwich City 14/11/1960 R3 Baseball Ground, Derby
26,535 Southampton v Burnley 6/2/1961 QF The Dell, Southampton
30,765 Aston Villa v Rotherham 579/1961 Final 2nd leg Villa Park, Birmingham
33,237 Sunderland v Aston Villa 12/1/1963 Semi-Final 1st leg Roker Park, Sunderland
37,921 Aston Villa v Birmingham City 27/5/1963 Final 2nd leg Villa Park, Birmingham
40,694 West Bromwich Albion v Aston Villa 17/11/1965 QF The Hawthorns, West Bromwich
97,952 QPR v West Bromwich Albion 4/3/1967 Final Wembley Stadium, London
98,189 Swindon Town v Arsenal 15/3/1969 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Tottenham Hotspur v Aston Villa 27/2/1971 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Tottenham Hotspur v Norwich City 3/3/1973 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Manchester City v Newcastle United 28/2/1976 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Aston Villa v Everton 12/3/1977 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Nottingham Forest v Liverpool 18/3/1978 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Liverpool v West Ham United 14/3/1981 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Liverpool v Tottenham Hotspur 13/3/1982 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Liverpool v Everton 25/3/1984 Final Wembley Stadium, London
100,000 Norwich City v Sunderland 24/3/1985
* Of the seven venues which have held the record only two have been football grounds throughout – Villa Park & The Hawthorns.
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby LEATHERSTOCKING » Fri Nov 07, 2014 6:02 pm

Have attendances at the five pre November 1872 "England vs. Scotland" games ever been determined?
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby ScottishFA » Fri Nov 07, 2014 7:17 pm

The first three unofficial England v Scotland games attracted about 5-600, the fourth was 'more' and the fifth was reportedly 'bigger'; but still less than a thousand. By comparison the England v Scotland rugby match in London in February 1872 had a crowd of about 3,000.

By the way, many of these early FA Cup attendances are fantasy, added to Wikipedia a few years ago with no reference to any contemporary source.
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby Scottish » Sat Nov 08, 2014 2:42 am

I have 650 for the match at Kennington Oval on Nov 19th 1870 and 500 for the game on Feb 25th 1871 at the same venue.

With regard to “fantasy,” I have been critical of Wikipedia entries I have seen in the past such as Bertie Auld the goalkeeper and John Brownlie the East Stirling manager for fifteen years. But to take an example here – and the first one mentioned is as good as any – the match claimed to have taken place between Upton Park and Clapham Rovers. There are also no references for either team, the date, the venue or the goalscorers. These are all part and parcel of the same detail for this game. Must we assume that these too are “fantasy?”

Wikipedia also issues “health warnings” for pages considered to be unreliable and has clear guidelines for verifiability. Matters have changed much since the days of the Auld/Brownlie errors mentioned above. Wikipedia now comes up first on just about any search.

I advocate checking Wikipedia articles with other sources but this is not always possible and in the absence of any “health warning,” I have no reason to disbelieve ANY of the information provided for this match. Similarly attendance figures stop after a few years on Wikipedia and there are none at all for 1879-80 for example. I make my claim that the Blackburn Rovers v Darwen match on Dec 6th 1879 broke the record on the basis of the Blackburn Standard of Dec 13th citing a crowd of “between 5,000 and 6,000.” Now, I haven’t mentioned that particular source (or indeed any) as to do so would take up an inordinate amount of time and I don't want to litter threads with footnotes.

To look at a more recent article from just before the time the Internet entered common usage, the two FA Cup semi-finals of 1993 are treated differently on Wikipedia. There is a link to a BBC match report for one – therefore proving conclusively that Arsenal beat Spurs 1-0 at Wembley on April 4th 1993 in front of a crowd of 76,263 thanks to a Tony Adams goal ten minutes from time.

There are no sources or references, contemporary or otherwise, for the other semi-final. So where is the evidence that the two Sheffield clubs met at Wembley on April 3rd 1993 before a crowd of 75,364 and that Sheffield Wednesday beat Sheffield United 2-1 after extra time thanks to goals from Chris Waddle in the second minute and Mark Bright’s winner in 108 minutes after Alan Cork had equalised a minute before half-time?

Like Wikipedia figures my claims about Blackburn Rovers are subject to challenge and as my disclaimer at the top of the thread says I am happy to do so for ANY of the figures mentioned “on the basis of more accurate information received.”

That doesn’t mean assertions of “fantasy”
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby ScottishFA » Sat Nov 08, 2014 11:08 am

David, sorry, I should have made it clearer in my brief comment that I wasn't criticising your work. Far from it.

When I said 'no reference to any contemporary source' I didn't mean that every statistic had to have a link to a reliable source (although that would be useful), it was a comment on the lack of contemporary sources for crowd figures in the 1870s. I've been through pretty much all the newspapers of the day which are available online, and some (eg The Field and the FA Minute book 1863-73) which are not, and there are virtually no attendance figures given.

The exceptions are internationals and cup finals, which attracted sufficiently impressive numbers of spectators for a figure to be reported. The fact the spectators were charged admission also helped to formulate fairly reasonable crowd numbers. For other matches, eg cup ties, at best you'll find a comment like 'a large gathering' until grounds were enclosed and pay desks were installed. The FA did not record figures, or even mention any requirement to admit spectators in the cup competition rules.

Specifically on the FA Cup crowd figures in the early 1870s, they were all added in August 2010 (for seasons 1871-72 to the start of 1877-78) by an unregistered contributor to Wikipedia who has not added anything since then. At the end of the day, I accept that I can't prove that these figures are wrong, or provide something more accurate, but is it realistic that one researcher has systematically uncovered detailed attendance figures over a six year period? I remember them being derided on an another forum at the time, and I would argue strongly that they are invented - hence my word 'fantasy'.

For example, you have the Wiki-assertion that Maidenhead v Marlow on 11 November 1871 attracted a crowd of precisely 1,287 to York Road cricket ground, yet Wikipedia is unable to provide the names of the goalscorers. Similarly, Upton Park v Clapham Rovers the same day is deemed to have been watched by 1,500 people but if you read the match report in Bell's Life the first goal, scored by Kenrick, was 'greeted with cheers by his fellow players'; there is no mention of spectators. (That report also gives the name of the second goalscorer, A Thompson, which is omitted by Wikipedia). And so on.

If I, as another unregistered contributor to Wikipedia, took the time to delete all these attendance figures, they would effectively cease to exist. That's how unreliable they are.

Hope that explains my comment.
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby Scottish » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:25 pm

Thanks for clearing up the mysteries of Wikipedia editing, Andy. Having tried to understand it, it remains rocket science to me. My wife does a lot of editing on Wiki and as a journalist for more years than it would be good for my health to reveal on here, I take my cue on advances on Wikipedia over the years from her.

I certainly wasn’t aware that edits – particularly deletions – could be made without challenge. I thought previous editors had to be notified. I also wasn’t aware that it was still possible to make edits unregistered. I thought that had been tightened up.

Maybe I should stop sending Jimmy Wales a contribution every time he asks for one!

WRT matches like the Maidenhead v Marlow one, I’ve avoided games with exact figures (though I can’t explain how I managed to let the one on 23/10/1875 slip through the net.

I’m perplexed though as to why anyone would want to attribute precise figures to some games but not to all. Concerning the “missing” scorers, these are all in Mike Collett’s “Complete History of the FA Cup.”

It is obviously far better to provide sources than not but the example of the 1993 semi-finals shows just how easy it becomes for easily obtained details not to be included and with the inclusion of sources for one semi and not the other it becomes a question of where do you start, where do you stop and why is there no consistency in between?

Sources themselves can’t always be relied on. One obvious example I like to point out is the Scottish League Cup Final of 1953-54 between east Fife and Partick Thistle for which the attendance is almost universally given as 88,529, even appearing in the SFL’s annual reviews as such. This addition of exactly 50,000 to the actual attendance of 38,529 was accepted as early as 1962 (and possibly before then) when the erroneous figure appeared in the match programme for the Kilmarnock v Rangers semi-final of 1962-63 on Oct 10th 1962 (“Final Crowds,” pg 6)

Any reading of a contemporary newspaper report would easily see the higher figure was nowhere near accurate. ‘Alan Breck’ in the Evening Times said, “the crowd would not exceed 20,000” at kick-off. Nine minutes into the game and East Fife two ahead against Thistle, “the crowd had increased to 35,000.”

The same reporter mentioned the correct figure in the ET on Oct 26th, two days after the final (pg 5) under the headline “Hampden Crowd Has Worry To All Clubs.”

Yet within a few years 50,000 was “added” to the figure and far from being a “worry,” this match was oft cited as an instance of the great crowds of Scottish football’s “Golden Age.”

Why? The only plausible reason I can come up with is that a 3 and an 8 don’t look that dissimilar, particularly in the grainy ink of the time and that a typo became accepted as a fact. A bit like the “Wicked” Bible in which the omission of the word ‘not’ from the seventh commandment suggested that committing adultery was not only okay with God but was actually compulsory!

Though in that instance it didn’t persist for sixty years (I think).

The sources quandary regarding Wikipedia is thrown into sharp relief with the East Fife-Thistle game. Wiki has 38,529 on its pages for both the final and the season with no attribution on either. Anyone researching this match via the Scottish League’s own publications would come up with 88,529.

Yet, in this instance at any rate, Wiki is right and the official record wrong.

To give an example in the opposite direction, both Wiki & the SFL reviews give the attendance for the 1957-58 Old Firm final (the 7-1 game) as 82,293. The Hampden gate book has it as 90,185. Gair Henderson, in the ET, wasn’t far away when he wrote “the crowd looked over the 90,000 mark” though both ‘The Bulletin’ and ‘Sunday Post’ match report has the 82,293 figure which must have been issued by someone – presumably from the SFL. Other estimates in reports vary from 80,000-100,000

These are only two of the more extreme examples. There are many others for both club and international games. And not always as far back as the 1950s. There was a period in the 1980s where a figure of 5,000 was routinely added on to the actual numbers and in the 1940s when it was 1,500

In all these cases, anyone editing Wiki and including the official figures from official publications would be making a mistake.
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby Scottish » Sun Nov 16, 2014 3:28 pm

LEATHERSTOCKING wrote:Have attendances at the five pre November 1872 "England vs. Scotland" games ever been determined?


I have 650 for the second of the five, held on 19/11/1870 at Kennington Oval and 500 for the third, 25/2/1871, same venue.
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby Gorgiewave » Tue Apr 11, 2017 8:08 pm

Not exactly the same thing, but the Hibs v Hearts game was an all-seated Easter Road record. 20,205, beating 20,106.

57,857 is the record all-seated football attendance in Edinburgh (Barcelona v Hearts, 2007).

32,459 for an Edinburgh team officially at home (Hearts v AEK Athens, 2006).

17,954 at Tynecastle (Hearts v Celtic).
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby LEATHERSTOCKING » Thu Apr 20, 2017 12:32 pm

Celtic`s very first Merchants` Charity Cup game on 4th May 1889 vs. Renton @ 2nd Hampden Park has a recorded attendance in the press of 21,000 which slides it in between the 3rd/Celtic Cup Final in February 1889 & the Scotland/England game in 1890. The 6d gate realised £450(suspiciously rounded)=18,000 & the stands £70 (again suspiciously neat)=1,400 plus officials, complimentary tickets, ladies, "Gonnie gie us a lift ower mister" etc. does, indeed allow for an estimated attendance as published.

4,000 Scotland v England 30/11/1872, International Hamilton Crescent, Partick
7,000 Scotland v England 7/3/1874, International Hamilton Crescent, Partick
7,000 Queen's Park v Renton 10/4/1875, Scottish Cup Final, 1st Hampden Park, Glasgow
16,000 Scotland v England 4/3/1876, International, Hamilton Crescent, Partick
17,000 Scotland v Wales 25/3/1876, International, Hamilton Crescent, Partick
18,391 Third Lanark v Celtic 2/2/1889, Scottish Cup Final*, 2nd Hampden Park, Glasgow
26,379 Scotland v England 5/4/1890, International Championship, 2nd Hampden Park, Glasgow
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby LEATHERSTOCKING » Mon Apr 24, 2017 10:39 am

Another attendance step which seems to have slipped under the radar is that at the Glasgow vs. Sheffield match @ West of Scotland Football & Cricket Ground, Partick on 27th February 1875. It was the second in the series and the first in Glasgow(well, Partick actually - at that time an independent police burgh) only bowing in importance to the International against England. Even then, there wasn`t anything the Scots liked more than sticking one on the Saxons be they Northern or Southern and the press calculated 10,000 attended this game. If it WAS "calculated" it must have been by examining the gate receipts.
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby HibeeJibee » Tue Sep 05, 2017 11:10 pm

Apologies if I've misunderstood what's meant here... but mention of "defunct" tournaments and categories like the Glasgow Charity Cup and Inter-City matches, made me think of the Inter-League matches. According to AFS the crowd at Celtic Park for the Scottish League v Football League on 8th April 1893 was 31,500 - which would put it in between Scotland v England in 1890 (26,379) and 1894 (45,017).

Admittedly it's estimated in the Scotsman at only 25,000 but it's in the Glasgow Herald at 30,000.
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Re: Domestic Attendance Records Progression

Postby LEATHERSTOCKING » Fri Sep 22, 2017 2:47 pm

A game which might, just MIGHT, qualify for this list is Queen`s Park vs. Preston North End the English Cup 1st Round tie @ 2nd Hampden on 30th October 1886. There is no precise figure and all the newspaper reports I`ve seen from the airts and pairts from Dundee to London vary from approximately 12,000 in the Dundee Advertiser(what do they know?!) to 20,000 in the Preston Herald. The Glasgow Herald whose reporter SHOULD know best gives 15-20,000, The Scotsman 15,000, Sporting Life 16,000, The Manchester Courier 15,000+ etc. etc. Others refer to a "record attendance", "nearly 20,000" and so forth. If we split the Herald`s figure, I don`t think we`d be too far off the mark in which case 17,500 would slip in between the Scotland vs. Wales figure of 1876 & the 3rd LRV vs. Celtic one of 1889.
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