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Can you help fill in the milestones in football history?

Post by Neiljb » Sat Aug 13, 2005 10:18 pm

The following sequence is to do with the developement of the beautifull game. Can you fill in the gaps that I can't find?

1848 - Cambridge Rules. Toffs lay down rules which favour kicking to running with the ball.
1857 - Sheffield FC formed. First non-academic football club.
1858 - First Aussie Football Club, Melbourne FC
1859 - Aussie Rules worked out. Began using an oval ball.
1862 - Notts County formed, oldest existing senior FC
1865 - Tape should be used 8 feet between posts. Also Buenos Aires FC founded be British Railway builders.
1863 - FA formed, Drew up rules which outlawed hacking, tripping, wrestling your opponent and running with the ball. A player could catch the ball and mark the spot for a free kick. Some clubs thought this would ruin the game and went off to create rugby.
1867 - Queens park formed. The oldest Scottish team
1869 - Handling the ball was forbidden. Goal kicks introduced.
1870 - 11 a side written into the rules.
1872 - First international (Scotland 0 England 0). Circumferance of you ball fixed.
1873 - SFA formed
1875 - Crossbar replaces tape
1877 - Game limited to 90 minutes. Association of GB formed to create uniform code. Also,the oldest existing continental club , Blodklub of Copenhagen formed.
1885 - Professionalism legalised in England.
1890 - Nets used for the first time
1891 - Penalty kicks introduced.

My questions are as follows:

1) When were goalkeepers introduced
2) When were the box, centre circle and touch lines first marked out.

Also - Let me know if you doubt any of the above.
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Post by Scottish » Sun Aug 14, 2005 1:21 pm

1877 - Association of GB formed to create uniform code
Do you mean the International Board? This originally consisted of the four 'home' FAs and was established in 1882

The legalisation of professionalism in 1885 was England only, Scotland not following suit until 1893.

Regarding your queries
1. Wasn't this specified in the 1863 rules?
2. I thought the goalkeeper likewise was specified in 1863 but I'm not sure. One item you might want to add to your milestones is that goalkeepers were allowed to use their hands anywhere in their own half until 1912.
3. There has never been standardisation as such for the pitch size - just minimums and maximums. Crossbars were introduced in 1875. Presumably their height was specified then .
4 Don't really know though the markings have varied at times. There used to be a single line across the pitch at the 18-yard mark

Other additions include
1874 Use of shinguards
1878 Referee's whistle
1891 goal nets
1925-26 major revision of offside law
1933 First numbering of players at FA Cup Final (1-22 not two teams of 1-11)
1939-40 Numbering introduced into English Leagues. In Scotland this was after WW2 in 47-48 I think

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Post by bobby s » Sun Aug 14, 2005 4:38 pm

See crossbars? Were they not originally tape? Did they not become wooden later?
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Post by Scottish » Sun Aug 14, 2005 5:19 pm

At one time there was no height restriction. There was no crossbar in the original FA rules. Nor were there free kicks or throw-ins. These were introduced by clubs playing under the rival 'Sheffield rules.'

But yes, Bobby, you're right. Originally tape was used as the bar. Early England-Scotland photos show tape.

I've had a dig around and there's some good stuff from the Guinness Book of Soccer Facts & feats relating to this topic in addition to what's been stated earlier

1865 Tape to be stretched across the goals eight feet (2.4M) from the ground
1871 Goalkeepers first mentioned in laws
1874 Umpires first mentioned in laws
1875 Crossbar replaces tape
1882 Two-handed throw-in introduced
1891 Referee and linesmen replace umpires
1894 Refs given total control over game (players used to have to appeal cricket-style before this)
1895 Goalposts and crossbars not to exceed 5 inches (127mm) in thickness
1913 Ten yards rule for free kicks (over 90 years later, still awaiting implementation :!: )
1914 Ten yards rule at corner kicks
1920 No offside from throw-in
1924 Goal can be scored direct from corner
1929 Keeper must stay on line at penalty
1936 Goal kicks may not be played straigh to defending keeper.
1937 Ditto free kicks inside penalty area


The process goes on to the present day. Witness major changes in recent years outlawing the pass back, allowing keepers to move on the line at penalties, making level players onside not off, moving free kicks forward etc

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Post by bobby s » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:29 pm

I know there has been major tinkering with the laws in my lifetime, but are there any major changes in the last 35 years?

Does the passback rule qualify as a major change?

3 points for a win?

more red card offences?

penalty shoot outs?

silver/goalden goals?

away goals count double?
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Post by Scottish » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:43 pm

Does the passback rule qualify as a major change?
I would say so. Think back to the dire World Cup of 1990. Along with the offside law amendments it constitutes the biggest change in favour of the attcking side since the change to the two-man offside law in 1925.

The other big change not mentioned so far is the use of substitutes. From being allowed for injury only to one then two then three and with 18 players listed for each game.

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Post by Neiljb » Sun Aug 14, 2005 7:58 pm

The 11 a side rule is still a problem. The first game played under FA rules was the FA Presidents XIV v FA Secretaries XIV in Battersea park in 1863. The laws made no provision for the number of players or the duration of the match. Another example was Notts County 0 Sheffield 1 in 1864 which was played as 18 a side. It appears that the club captains decided these issues before the game. I suppose when you think about the kick-abouts we had as kids, you can see why. (See, The Association of Football Statisticians website)

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Post by bobby s » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:10 pm

scottish wrote:The other big change not mentioned so far is the use of substitutes. From being allowed for injury only to one then two then three and with 18 players listed for each game.
Did I pick up the EPL wrongly or are they still going with 5 subs? How backward is that?
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Post by Scottish » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:18 pm

You can't expect wee teams like Man U and Chelsea to have the same number of players at their disposal as Falkirk and Livvy.

Although England introduced substitutes a year ahead of Scotland they've lagged behind in having two then three available.

On the 11-a side thing, it appears to have certainly been introduced by the FA Cup in 1871-72. Before the founding of the SFA team numbers seemed to have been random for some clubs. Killie played both 20-a side and 15-a side games in 1872/73.

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Post by Scottish » Sun Aug 14, 2005 9:49 pm

In 'A Pictorial History of Soccer' by Denis Signy (1968) the author writes "eleven players per team was not established as an all-round rule until 1870."

Signy also mentions the foundation of a Lisbon FC in 1875 and David Goldblatt's 'World Football Yearbook' verifies that. Perhaps Boldklub should be regarded as the oldest continental club STILL IN EXISTENCE. Signy also mentions the establishment of a club in Le Havre in 1872

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:17 pm

1860s teams in England usually played a threequarter back, a full back, a half back & eight forwards. That`s when they played 11 a side of course ! Many clubs started off as cricket clubs and kept together to play football generally but not exclusively in the winter so, to give all the flannelled fools a game, the muddied oafs also played 11 a side. Queen`s Park played anything from 10 to 20 a side and, at a time when everyone was allowed to handle the ball, a specific position of goal keeper wasn`t required. When the foot-ballers began to diverge from the Rugby foot-ballers and 11 a side became the norm, the threequarter back was the only player allowed to handle the ball (anywhere in his own half until 1913) and was renamed goal keeper circa 1870.

Regarding substitutes, the SFA allowed these in their International trial games way back in the 1870s.

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Mon Aug 22, 2005 7:31 pm

There was a Stranraer Club in 1865. If we`re going to go this far back, who`s to decide what a "football club" was ? In Scotland, all clubs played "foot-ball" until the Rugbyists broke away in 1871 to form the Scottish Rugby Football Union. Because they all played "foot-ball" I`d include Edinburgh Academicals & Edinburgh University both formed in 1857, West of Scotland Football Club formed in 1865 as definitely predating Queen`s Park. Additionally, Royal High School, Edinburgh Wanderers,Glasgow
Academicals, Merchistonians & St.Andrews University were all playing in
1867 but I don`t have foundation dates for them.

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Post by Mike Smith » Wed Aug 31, 2005 5:59 pm

1902 - the last time Hibernian won the Scottish Cup!

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Post by bobby s » Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:17 pm

Mike Smith wrote:1902 - the last time Hibernian won the Scottish Cup!

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I'm still pissed off we arenae recognised as the first champions of the world after beating Preston on 13th August 1887.
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Post by Mike Smith » Wed Aug 31, 2005 7:36 pm

bobby s wrote:I'm still pissed off we arenae recognised as the first champions of the world after beating Preston on 13th August 1887.
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