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Post by Skyline Drifter » Mon Dec 31, 2007 4:20 pm

scottish wrote:Thanks for that but I thought the game was 27th not 29th?

and for Dunfermline v Stirling Albion last Saturday? The only figure I've seen for the latter is suspiciously low 2,800.
Oops, typo on my part, sorry. Was indeed the 27th.

As for Dunfermline they seem to have a problem providing accurate figures on a matchday. It was also when we went there, though they did give a crowd in the last minute (it was later in the week before they could do a breakdown of away support though).

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Post by Scottish » Tue Jan 01, 2008 4:56 pm

Dunfermline figure now on the club website as a much more believable 4,023.

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Post by Matt » Tue Jan 01, 2008 9:32 pm

scottish wrote:Matt, the SFL appear to be using different figures to calculate the averages than the ones which appear in the match reports. For example Livingston's lowest home gate according to the averages is 1,355. Yet the match against Queen of the South on Oct 27th is given as 721. Similarly when St Johnstone played Dundee on Aug 18th they recorded a season's best of 6,079 according to the match report but the highest according to the averages is 6,279.

The first assumption I made is that the SFL are taking press figures for the match results but using the figures returned to them for compiling the averages.

Unfortunately there is no way of knowing for certain as they only show the average, highest and lowest. There is no link for figures per club other than looking at individual match results.

And there is no guarantee my assumption is correct. I have a figure of 186 for Albion Rovers v Elgin City on Dec 1st taken from the Rovers website. That is the lowest in the SFL so far this season. The SFL have a figure of 268 for the same game.

Comparing their figures with my own only Dundee, Alloa and Forfar are absolutely identical. However a lot of the others are broadly similar. I have no difference greater than thirty in the Third Division or fifty in the Second (barring Queen's Park where the difference is 92).

You are right that it is the First Division where the 'discrepancies' lie. Other than Dundee where the figures are the same the closest difference between their averages and mine is 43 and the biggest is 142 (there are two others at 140). It's too time-consuming for me to go through them all so I looked at the closest - Stirling Albion.

Their website is well maintained and also has a page breaking down home and away support so their own figures can be cross-referenced. Their figures
addup to the same as the home and away fans

They also add up exactly to the figures I have and the individual match tallies are identical. Yet these show an average of 43 less than the SFL.

I considered two other possibilities. First I added Stirling's League Cup game v Hearts into the equation but that put the average above the SFL figure.

Then I noticed that the SFL still had a season low of 945 for Stirling Albion (should be 946 according to the official club website) not the 883 for the game v QOS on Dec 15th. So I took the home games played by Stirling Albion on Dec 15th and Dec 26th out of the equation and- eureka! - the average is identical to that of the SPL.

As the latest Dundee home game before yesterday was Dec 8th it is apparent that the figures in the 'Insider' are running two to three weeks behind the date of publication.

However that doesn't resolve the question of the differing figures mentioned above.
David, thanks a lot! I think that all these discrepancies are not a new phenomenon: At the end of the day (or season, rather) we will all go through the figures as published in the Rothmans and find out yet again that a number of attendances as made public over the season will differ from the Rothmans ones, which usually appear quite reliable.

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Post by Scottish » Thu Jan 03, 2008 1:04 am

Matt,

My understanding is that the Rothmans figures are directly from the SFL.

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Post by LLD » Fri Jan 25, 2008 12:08 am

Here's actual Livingston home attendances for games that have previously had estimates reported this season:

Morton 15/09/07 was 1712
Clyde 29/09/07 was 1492
Dunfermline 02/01/08 was 2339
Morton 05/01/08 was 1367

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Post by Scottish » Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:46 pm

LLD wrote:Here's actual Livingston home attendances for games that have previously had estimates reported this season:

Morton 15/09/07 was 1712
Clyde 29/09/07 was 1492
Dunfermline 02/01/08 was 2339
Morton 05/01/08 was 1367
Thanks for those. I note the Aberdeen crowd on Saturday was given as a round 14,000. Whilst on the subject the away support at Rugby Park on Saturday was a pitiful 378. That's from a side currently third in the SPL. Yes, I know it was a dreadful day but even so that's a dismal figure. Even adding on the few Dundee United fans in among the home support (and I had the misfortune to be sat opposite one who had clearly partaken of too much local hospitality) there couldn't have been more than 400 tops.

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Post by Scottish » Sat Mar 15, 2008 11:44 am

Aberdeen game still showing as 14,000 on their website. Livingston v Clyde last Saturday was given as 1,800 and Celtic v Dundee United midweek as a round 45,000. Does anyone have anything else for any of these games?

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Post by LLD » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:44 pm

Official attendance for Livi v Clyde was 1431.

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Post by Scottish » Wed Mar 19, 2008 11:46 pm

Thanks

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Post by Gordon Baird » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:27 pm

The crowd for the Dunfermline v Stirling Albion match on December 29th is given in subsequent programmes as 4,020.

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Post by Scottish » Thu Mar 27, 2008 4:48 pm

So they've lost three people then? :roll:

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Post by Gordon Baird » Fri Mar 28, 2008 3:05 pm

It looks like it!! The programme for the next match has a report on the Albion match which gives the attendance as 4,023. I'll have words with the editor!

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