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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby Bristol Rovers » Sat Sep 15, 2012 6:19 pm

Thanks, everyone, for various input into this. I am not far off completing a re-run of my Bristol Rovers' who's who which came out in 1993, but I have various odd queries. Very grateful for any help with these various pre-1920 odds and ends:

1. Patrick Boyle - did he paly any Scot Lge games for Arthurlie, Nov 1904-May 1905?
2. James Brogan - any games for Royal Albert 915-16), Hamilton (16-18) or Airdrie (from 18)?
3. Hugh Dunn - any game with Johnstone FC, Aug 1893-Jan 1894?
4. George Hastie - likewise at Airdrie, 1918-19 and St Johnstone from 1920?
5. John Haxton - Lochgelly Utd, 1902-04 and Feb 1907 onwards?
6. Walter Jack - Clyde from Feb 1907?
7. Adam McColl - Partick Th until Oct 1909 and Nithsdale W, 1911-12 and 1913-15?
8. John McKenzie - Dundee, Oct 05-May 08 and Montrose before that?
9. James Orr - Airdrie, Jan 02-June 03?
10. Tom Tait (Scottish international) - Airdries, 1900-03, Dundee, 1912-13?
11. Archie Taylor - Raith, 02-03 and Falkirk, 1909-10?
12. Tom Vail - Dunfermline from March 1903?
In addition, Christian names needed, please, for Hamilton (Falkirk) approx 1920 and Dunlop (Scotland international in 1908).
Hugely grateful, in advance,
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby gogsy1968 » Sat Sep 15, 2012 11:40 pm

Details taken from the book "There was a Happyland" by David Allan

Tom Vail played for Lochgelly United before signing for Dunfermline Athletic, Dunfermline didn't join the Scottish leagues until 1912/13 season
"Jim" Haxton signed for Motherwell in 1904 from Lochgelly United and re-signed for Lochgelly United Jan/Feb 1907 from Aberdeen
Lochgelly United only entered Scottish division 2 for 14/15 season. They were in the Northern League 1902-09 and Central League 1909/12
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby Scottish » Sun Sep 16, 2012 12:37 am

James Brogan. None for Hamilton 1916-17, don’t know about 1917-18, 15 league apps Airdrie 1918-19, none after that. Signed for Bathgate & St Bernard’s. Litster has no clubs for him before Airdrie.

George Hastie never played for Airdrie. You may be thinking of Isaac Hastie. In addition George Hastie’s time with St Johnstone was before WW1 and for two months only between Aug-Oct 1912

Walter Jack was only 30 when he became Clyde manager in 1905. He was in that post for four years but I can find no record of him playing for them.

Adam McColl/McCall (both spelling used in Thistle official history) 4 lge apps 1905-06. None after that.

John McKenzie Dundee 24 lge, 1 Scottish Cup 1905-06, 34 lge, 3 SC 1906-07, 31 lge, 4 SC 1907-08

Tom Tait Dundee 22 lge, 5 SC 1912-13

Archie Taylor Raith 21 lge 1902-03. 1 Qualifying Cup (in Raith history 34 apps in all, including one abandoned league game).

Alex Hamilton of Falkirk

William Dunlop of Liverpool was left-back v England in his solitary international appearances but it was 1906, not 1908.
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby RobertB » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:01 pm

Bristol Rovers wrote:Thanks, everyone, for various input into this. I am not far off completing a re-run of my Bristol Rovers' who's who which came out in 1993, but I have various odd queries. Very grateful for any help with these various pre-1920 odds and ends:

1. Patrick Boyle - did he paly any Scot Lge games for Arthurlie, Nov 1904-May 1905?
2. James Brogan - any games for Royal Albert 915-16), Hamilton (16-18) or Airdrie (from 18)?
3. Hugh Dunn - any game with Johnstone FC, Aug 1893-Jan 1894?
4. George Hastie - likewise at Airdrie, 1918-19 and St Johnstone from 1920?
5. John Haxton - Lochgelly Utd, 1902-04 and Feb 1907 onwards?
6. Walter Jack - Clyde from Feb 1907?
7. Adam McColl - Partick Th until Oct 1909 and Nithsdale W, 1911-12 and 1913-15?
8. John McKenzie - Dundee, Oct 05-May 08 and Montrose before that?
9. James Orr - Airdrie, Jan 02-June 03?
10. Tom Tait (Scottish international) - Airdries, 1900-03, Dundee, 1912-13?
11. Archie Taylor - Raith, 02-03 and Falkirk, 1909-10?
12. Tom Vail - Dunfermline from March 1903?
In addition, Christian names needed, please, for Hamilton (Falkirk) approx 1920 and Dunlop (Scotland international in 1908).
Hugely grateful, in advance,



Ive got Bolye playing 12 league matches, 1 inter county league, two Scottish Cup, and three Renfrewshire cup games that season, all at centre back and he didnt score any goals.
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby RobertB » Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:08 pm

Sorry, also he made his debut in a one nil win over Falkirk on November 19th 1904 in a league match and his last appearance seems to be Nil nil draw at Aberdeen April 8th for the league and for all games the 15th April a two nil defeat to Mo4rton in the first game of the two gamed Renfrewshire Cup Final, I also think he played one game the following season, a one all draw away to Raith Rovers on the 24th February, league match.
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby leicester » Wed Oct 03, 2012 1:35 pm

Just a quick line re George Hastie: it was Johnstone, not St Johnstone, for whom he signed in September 1920.
Btw, I've tracked down his demise: in Florida, USA, Nov 1982.

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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby Bristol Rovers » Wed Oct 03, 2012 5:25 pm

Excellent. Thanks, everyone, for all this information.

David Brown Kenny (have occasionally seen it written Kenney, but it is Kenny in his father's script on the 1901 census), born in Maybole, Ayrshire, 22 May 1891, apparently emigrated to Canada in 1921 and was later playing there for Nainamo City (1922). Does anyone on here have access to boat lists from that period or to Canadian death records? When and on which boat did he travel and did he die in North America?
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby leicester » Thu Oct 04, 2012 11:39 am

David Kenny, 29, shoemaker; last address Maybole: sailed Glasgow - Montreal, 2 June 1921, on board the Saturnia.

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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby ScottishFA » Thu Oct 04, 2012 4:36 pm

If you look on Familysearch you'll find a David Kenny born Scotland 13 July 1891, married in Vancouver 2 May 1925 and died in Vancouver 11 December 1978. As Nanaimo is on Vancouver Island it seems too much of a coincidence.

I know the date of birth doesn't exactly tally with what you have, but for the marriage it gives his parents as James Kenny and Jane Mckay - does that match the names on the 1901 census?
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby Bristol Rovers » Thu Oct 04, 2012 5:24 pm

ScottishFA wrote:If you look on Familysearch you'll find a David Kenny born Scotland 13 July 1891, married in Vancouver 2 May 1925 and died in Vancouver 11 December 1978. As Nanaimo is on Vancouver Island it seems too much of a coincidence.

I know the date of birth doesn't exactly tally with what you have, but for the marriage it gives his parents as James Kenny and Jane Mckay - does that match the names on the 1901 census?

Thank you. It does seem too good a coincidence. I have his parents as Robert and Jane - could James be a middle name or a mistake?
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby Bristol Rovers » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:25 am

A couple more queries:
1. Does anyone have a first name for Skene, Queen's Park goalkeeper in 1905-06?
2. Anyone know anything at all abotu John Wilson Paterson, Bristol Rovers (1927-30)? He was formerly at Edinburgh Emmet, Dundee in Spain FC (who were they?!), Aug 1924 Bathgate, 1927 Wellesley Juniors. He emigrated to Canada in 1930 - anyone have emigration details? or death details? or census return in Scotland (parents' names and address?) He was born in Kirkcaldy, 13 April 1904.

As always, many thanks.
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby ScottishFA » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:32 am

Bristol Rovers wrote:A couple more queries:
1. Does anyone have a first name for Skene, Queen's Park goalkeeper in 1905-06?


He was a Scotland international: Dr Leslie Henderson Skene, born Larbert 22 August 1882, died Isle of Man 29 October 1959.

You'll find plenty about him on the web, including a thread on this very forum: http://www.scottishleague.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2197&start=0
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby Bristol Rovers » Thu Jun 13, 2013 5:53 am

Returning to this thread, does anyone here know anything of the whereabouts from about 1926 of Alexander Crichton? He was born in Bellshill, 12.6.1899, was apparently a Scottish junior international whilst with Bantyre Victoria, 1923-24 and was back in Scotland by 1926. Is he the man who was at East Stirling in 1932-33? When and where did he die?
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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby leicester » Thu Jun 13, 2013 11:44 am

No help with Alex, I'm afraid; but the Crichton at East Stirling in 32/3 was Willie (who'd also figured for them in previous seasons, moved on to Raith Rovers in August 1933, and was back with ES in December 1936).

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Re: Scottish Rovers

Postby bluedragon » Sat Sep 07, 2013 11:07 am

Bristol Rovers wrote:Returning to this thread, does anyone here know anything of the whereabouts from about 1926 of Alexander Crichton? He was born in Bellshill, 12.6.1899, was apparently a Scottish junior international whilst with Bantyre Victoria, 1923-24 and was back in Scotland by 1926. Is he the man who was at East Stirling in 1932-33? When and where did he die?


I came across this thread while looking at Scottish Junior Internationals. I am trying to find the forename of Crichton who played for Scotland v England on 18th April 1925. He was playing for Bridgeton Waverley. There was also a Crichton (Ashfield) capped on 3rd April 1909 v England.

John Litster's disk has these details listed as the same player. However, there is significant gap in his career from 1909/10 playing for Ashfield, winning a Junior Cup medal and being capped for Junior Scotland to being signed by Queen of the South in 1925/26 from Bridgeton Waverley. The Ashfield player was a left half and the Bridgeton Waverley man was an inside right.

There are no Crichtons capped out of any Blantyre club and only Hannigan of Blantyre Celtic capped in 1923-24.

The date of birth you have (12th June 1899) ties in with the Crichton from 1925. If so????

Signed for Queen of the South for Season 1925/26 from Bridgeton Waverley. He won two Scottish Junior caps in Season 1924/25

11th April 1925 V Wales at Colwyn Bay won 4-0 (he scored a goal)
18th April 1925 V England at The Hawthorns, West Bromwich lost 4-1

If we are looking at the same man I would be interested to know any information on his Bristol Rovers connections.
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