Division C - the last few results

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:13 pm

I've now completed 50-51 and have sent the details to Brian for the Archive.

There were one or two amendments to the originally posted info, as detailed below. But at least the full results now tally with the published league tables

NE:
Hibs v Aberdeen was 3-0, not 2-0
Raith Rovers v Celtic was 2-1, not 1-1
Dundee v Hearts was definitely 2-2, not 2-3
Hearts v St Johnstone was 5-1 not 1-1
Re the notes, St Johnstone v Dundee was definitely 1-3.

SW:
Airdrie v Ayr was 3-2 not 5-2
Queen's Park v Kilmarnock was 4-3 not 4-1.


In the meantime, I've nearly completed 54-55. The final score for that Partick v Queen of the South game on hogmanay must have been 6-2 if the published league tables are correct, and Queen of the South v Kilmarnock a 1-1 draw on the same basis. For the latter, it may have been played on 27 April as the Evening Times listed a fixture for QoS v QP Strollers that evening, but that match had already been played - it was possibly a misprint.


Here is a revised summary of the info still missing:

46/47
League Cup, Score required for Montrose v Dundee A (scheduled for 1 January 1947 but no result reported)

51/52
SW: Date and score required for
Morton A v St Mirren A (originally scheduled Jan 1)

52/53
NE: Date and score required for:
Montrose v Hearts A
Leith Athletic v St Johnstone A

SW: Date and score required for:
Rangers A v Queen of the South A
Date required for
Motherwell v East Stirlingshire

League Cup: Date and scores required for
Airdrie A v Partick Thistle A
Kilmarnock A v Clyde A
Final: 14 May 1953 at Pittodrie, Aberdeen A 1, Rangers A 1 (after extra time). No trace of a replay.

53/54
SW: Date and score required for
Third Lanark A v Rangers A

League Cup: Date and score required for
Hamilton A v Clyde A
Partick Thistle A v St Mirren A
Final: Rangers A v Partick Thistle held over to following season, but no trace of it being played.

54/55
SW: Date required for:
Queen of the South A v Kilmarnock A (possibly 27 April)

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by sureitsza » Mon Dec 27, 2010 8:48 pm

52/53
SW: Date and score required for:
Rangers A v Queen of the South A


29 November Rangers A 3-0 Queen of the South A. Match abandoned. I think the result stood.

54/55
SW: Date required for:
Queen of the South A v Kilmarnock A (possibly 27 April)


25 April

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Dec 28, 2010 12:07 pm

Thanks again for all contributions. Nearly there!

Seasons 1951-2 and 1954-5 are now complete and I have sent to Brian for posting on the Archive. As well as filling in the gaps, I also found a few mistakes in the results and dates, so here is a summary of those changes:

51-2
SW:
Airdrie v Third Lanark on Sept 8, score was 2-4, not 1-2
Kilmarnock v East Stirling, correct date was November 24
Morton v St Mirren, date was December 31, score 2-1
Stranraer v St Mirren on Sept 8, score was 3-1, not 3-0
NE:
Brechin City v East Fife on Dec 1, score was 2-0 not 3-1
Falkirk v Dundee on August 22, score was 1-2, not 0-2
Montrose v Falkirk on Sept 1, score was 5-3, not 5-2
St Johnstone v Leith on August 22, score was 6-0 not 5-0
Dundee v Montrose, correct date was Sept 22
Raith v East Fife, confirmed as Sept 15
LC:
Clyde v Airdrie confirmed as 4-3
St Mirren v Ayr, correct score was 5-0 not 4-0

54-5
SW
Airdrie v Kilmarnock, Jan 4, score 1-5
Stranraer v Dumbarton, Jan 3, score 3-3
QP v Ayr, Jan 3, score 2-1
Rangers v Airdrie, Jan 3, score 3-2
Rangers v Stranraer, April 14, score 0-0
St Mirren v Queen's Park, correct score 4-0 not 2-0
Third Lanark v Kilmarnock, score 1-1
Kilmarnock v Partick, Jan 3, score 1-2

NE:
Dunfermline v Dundee, Jan 3, score 2-0
Falkirk v Dunfermline, April 14, score 3-1
Falkirk v East Fife, Jan 3, score 4-2
Raith v Hibernian, Jan 3, score 1-1
Raith v Hearts, April 4, score 1-1
Celtic v Raith, correct date was Jan 1
East Fife v Dunfermline, correct date was April 18, score 2-0
(the 3-0 game on April 25 was in Supplementary League)
Hearts v Hibs, May 6, score 1-2
Hearts v Montrose, Jan 3, score 3-1
Hibs v Falkirk, Jan 4, score 0-0

Supplementary
Motherwell v Ayr, May 4, score 1-1
Clyde v Third Lanark, December 4, score 4-2
QP v Partick, April 18, score 1-0
Dumbarton v Clyde, correct date Sept 18
Rangers v St Mirren, correct date May 4
Dumbarton v St Mirren, date Sept 13
QP v Third Lanark, date Oct 16
East Fife v Dunfermline, correct date Apr 25, score 3-0


Meanwhile, I'm ploughing through 52-3 and 53-4 and have got to the bottom of the mystery of the 52-3 C Div League Cup Final between Aberdeen and Rangers. Here is a comment from the Rangers handbook for the following season:

"The C Division Cup Final was intended to be a home-and-home affair, but we readily agreed to confine it to one match at Pittodrie where we drew 1-1 after extra time. It is reasonable to believe we would have taken the trophy outright had the second match come to The Stadium, but we did not by any means grudge sharing the prize with our friends of Pittodrie."

Unfortunately there is no similar explanation for the 53-4 final between Rangers and Partick, which was going to be held over to the start of 54-5.

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Dec 28, 2010 3:53 pm

And so it goes on...

In 1952-53, I would welcome any information or confirmation of the following to complete the season:

South and West:
There seems to be a mistake with East Stirling v Queen of the South, which was not played on August 12, and (going by league tables) the score was 2-1 rather than 7-1. However, East Stirling v Queen's Park was on August 16, score 7-3.

North and East:
Again, seems to be a mistake with Celtic v Falkirk, which was not on August 26, and the score was 3-2 rather than 1-2. In fact, Celtic v East Fife was on August 26.
The result of Montrose v Leith on 22 April 1953 was given as 1-2 in the Herald, but from league tables it would seem to be 0-2.
There are still two missing results, Montrose v Hearts and Leith v St Johnstone. From league tables, these would seem to be 0-2 and 5-0 respectively, but I cannot find the dates.


Some corrections and additions:
Berwick v Leith, August 27, correct score 4-2
Falkirk v Hibernian, January 17, correct score 2-4
Hearts v Stirling, correct date December 27
Hearts v Brechin, September 19, score 1-1
Hearts v Hibs, December 25, score 2-4
Hibs v Aberdeen, December 31, score 1-5
Dundee v East Fife confirmed November 1
Motherwell v East Stirling, correct date November 15.
Airdrie v Partick (League Cup), January 31, score 2-2
St Mirren v Queen of the South, January 1, score 0-4
Kilmarnock v Clyde (League Cup), January 24, score 3-1

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by sureitsza » Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:20 pm

52-53
North and East:
Again, seems to be a mistake with Celtic v Falkirk, which was not on August 26, and the score was 3-2 rather than 1-2. In fact, Celtic v East Fife was on August 26.
Date was April 20

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by ScottishFA » Wed Dec 29, 2010 6:18 pm

I finally found the missing scores for 53/54 on Friday nights, so that season is now complete. Here is a summary of the new info and some corrections:

Third Lanark v Rangers, Sept 18, score 2-2
Rangers v QP Strollers, correct score 6-0
Partick v St Mirren, correct score 2-0
Clyde v St Mirren, correct date Dec 19
Rangers v Ayr Utd, correct date Aug 29

NE
Dundee v Stirling Albion, correct score 5-2
Raith Rovers v Aberdeen, correct score 3-2

LC
Hamilton v Clyde, April 2, score 4-1
Partick v St Mirren, April 2, score 5-1

That just leaves the following needed to complete the entire Division C statistics:

46/47
Score for Montrose v Dundee A in League Cup (scheduled 1 January 1947 but no result in the papers)

52/53
Dates required for Montrose v Hearts A (0-2) and Leith Athletic v St Johnstone A (5-0).
Confirmation of score for Montrose v Leith on 22 April (1-2 or 0-2)
Date for East Stirling v Queen of the South A (2-1).

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by soccerhistory » Sun Jan 30, 2011 6:22 pm

50/51
North West
Date and score required for Brechin v Montrose (played Jan 2 but abandoned with score 2-0); the result may have stood.

The match was abandoned after 61 minutes. The Brechin Advertiser for 8 May 1951 reported that Brechin had been awarded the 2 points.

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by ScottishFA » Sat Mar 12, 2011 6:26 pm

Job done! Thanks for everyone who has contributed.

The last few queries meant trawling through microfilm of the Courier, the Montrose Review and the Leith Gazette. Just to give the details of what was missing:

46/47
Montrose v Dundee A in League Cup on 1 January 1947 was 2-2.

52/53
Montrose v Hearts A (0-2) was April 15.
Leith Athletic v St Johnstone A (5-0) was August 20.
This made it clear that Falkirk v St Johnstone had the wrong date, and it was in fact September 20.
Montrose v Leith on 22 April confirmed as 1-2
East Stirling v Queen of the South A (2-1) was January 24.

I've also done a new league table for NE as there were discrepancies in all the published versions.

I think that is the end of the Division C project, and these have been sent to Brian for uploading to the Archive. If anyone spots any errors please let us know.

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by Boris57 » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:03 pm

Andy

Brilliant piece of research - well done. Just one error I noticed relating to a Leith Athletic match in the 1951/52 season & I'm guessing it's a simple "typo" error:

Leith Athletic 0 v 3 East Fife 'A' Grid shows date as 26 August but that was a Sunday - match was played at Old Meadowbank on Tuesday 28 August.

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Re: Division C - the last few results

Post by BMCCOLL » Wed Mar 16, 2011 6:54 pm

Noted and duly changed, Jim.
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