Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:10 am

Further to the above posts - I am confident we can eliminate those players who would now be over 100 years old. I believe the current updated squad will read as below.

As far as I have been able to ascertain the only pre-war cap still alive may be former Hearts centre half Jimmy Dykes, who was capped against Holland and Ireland in 1938.

He seemingly emigrated to Australia in 1951, vanished without trace and nobody at Hearts has received notification of his death. If he is still alive Jimmy will now be 95.

The rest of my provisional "squad" is:

Jimmy Stephen (Bradford PA) – two caps – 1946-47 : 1947-18: d.o.b. 23/8/1922
Hugh Long (Clyde) – one cap – 1946-47: d.o.b. 06/01/1923
Bobby Brown (Rangers) - three caps – 1946/47 : 1951-52: d.o.b. 19/03/1923
Jimmy Watson (Motherwell and Huddersfield Town) – two caps – 1947-48 : 1953-54: d.o.b. 16/01/1924
Ian Black (Southampton) – one cap – 1947-48: d.o.b. 27-03-1924
Sammy Cox (Rangers) – 25 caps – 1947-48 : 1953-54: d.o.b. 13/04/1924
Alex Forbes (Sheffield Utd and Arsenal) – 14 caps – 1946-47 : 1951-52: d.o.b. 21/01/1925
Johnny McKenzie (Partick Thistle) – nine caps - 1953-54 : 1955-56: d.o.b. 04/09/1925
Jock Aird (Burnley) – four caps – 1953-54: d.o.b. 18/02/1926
Doug Cowie (Dundee) - 20 caps - 1952-53 : 1957-58: d.o.b. 01/05/1926
The "maybes" on the list are Watson, Black, Forbes and Aird, who is somewhere in Australia and was definitely alive in 2011.

Can anyone help consolidate the list, particularly as regards Dykes?
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby ScottishFA » Wed Aug 01, 2012 9:10 pm

Jim Dykes initially went to Tasmania, where he played for Caledonians FC:

http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/27071086?searchTerm=%22jim%20dykes%22&searchLimits=

But I can't find any mention of him beyond 1952.

Jimmy Stephen is definitely still alive but I hear he is poorly.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:49 pm

Andy, thanks for that.

By my reckoning Jimmy Dykes, who is 95, if still alive, is in pole position to be the oldest surviving former internationalist. There is also another pre-war cap, also a former Hearts man, Andy Black, who won three caps in 1938-39, apparently still living in the Manchester area.

Black was transferred to Manchester City in 1946, then moved on to Stockport County, before becoming a licencee.

A Stockport County contact tells me he is still alive, in his 94th year.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:45 am

Sadly, we can eliminate Jimmy Dykes from the list. I managed to contact one of his sons in Tasmania, who told me Jimmy had passed away, aged 57, in 1974. He had worked as a plumber in Tasmania.

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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Sat31March1928 » Sun Aug 05, 2012 7:44 am

Speaking to David Speed yesterday and He said that Andy Black was at a Stockport County function last year.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Fri Aug 10, 2012 9:34 pm

I understand from Fred Eyre, who is one of the main men (or should that be Maine Road men?) in the Manchester City former Players Association that Andy Black, in fact, died in the 1970s. Apparently the Andy Black who was at Stockport last year is Andy Black's son.

Jimmy Stephen, who has cancer and is in a care home in Portsmouth, is now apparently the oldest-surviving Scotland internationalist, and due to celebrate his 90th birthday later this month.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby bobby s » Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:38 am

Have you already discounted players born in 1920/21/22 apart from those listed who you know to be deceased?

Looking through my list I noticed Willie Redpath of Motherwell who would have been 90 last week?
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:26 pm

Bobby, Willie Redpath died three or four years ago, Robert McElroy did an obituary for the Herald.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby ScottishFA » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:04 am

Hadn't noticed Redpath's obituary and can't find it online. Do you have an exact date?
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:58 pm

Andy,

I also don't have an exact date for Redpath's passing. I will try to get it for you.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby ScottishFA » Sun Aug 19, 2012 6:17 pm

Is Willie McNaught still alive? (born 7 May 1922). I can't find any reference to a death or an obituary.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby ScottishFA » Mon Aug 20, 2012 5:52 pm

Same question for Andy Paton (born 2 January 1923). He was at Fir Park five years ago to receive a 'Greatest Ever Motherwell Player' award and I haven't seen an obituary. Is he still around?
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby bluedragon » Mon Aug 20, 2012 6:46 pm

I am pleased to see the name of Hugh Long on the list. He is one of three full Scottish Internationals to have played for Worcester City FC and I know the club will be delighted to hear this news. He joined City from Clyde and was described by the manager of the time - who had a reputation as a successful wheeler/dealer in the transfer market - as his best ever signing, Unfortunately Hugh Long suffered a career-ending injury during his time there but still played 52 games and scored 2 goals. Although I have done some research on his career I had not twigged that he could be highly placed on thsi list so thanks.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Snuff » Sat Aug 25, 2012 8:59 am

Bobby S and Scottish FA both asked about Willie Redpath perhaps still being alive. Whilst thumbing through Rothmans volume 20 (1989-90), I came across Willie's name in the obituaries list, with the date of death given as 20 January, 1989.
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Re: Oldest Surviving Scottish Internationalists

Postby Scottish » Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:52 pm

Re my post of June 28th this year: Richard Cairns tells me the date and place of birth needs revising and that James Maxwell Sr was born on July 26th 1887 in Kilmarnock.
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