Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby HibeeJibee » Fri Jul 12, 2013 7:02 pm

Noticed this on London Hearts from (Easter Monday) 25th March 1940.

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Notably it isn't given in the SJFA Centenary History by McGlone & McClure so potentially it mightn't be the only wartime fixture?


EDIT: Infact it's quite strange as McGlone & McClure gives only 1 preceding match with Eire, in 1929 with the next not coming until 1947.

Admittedly the SFL added an Inter-League match v the League of Ireland in spring 1939, but spring 1940 seems an odd time to start a new fixture.


EDIT AGAIN: Infact the SJFA Centenary itself notes:
Matches with the Republic of Ireland are not reckoned to have commenced until 1947 but we have found a match Scotland played on 9th March 1929 against the Irish Free State in Dublin. There may have been more games in this series at this time but none can be found.
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Sat Jul 13, 2013 12:36 pm

Here is the Scotland selected line-up for the 1908 England match at the Hawthorns, West Bromwich published in the Evening Post and Telegraph on 24 March 1908:

Stewart (Perth Roselea)
Lawson (Neilston Victoria)
Nellis (Douglas Water Thistle)
Miller (Larkhall Thistle)
Tait (Glenbuck)
Menzies (Kilbirnie)
Finlayson (Queen’s Park Hampden Eleven)
Graham (Granton Oakvale)
Robertson (Dundee Harp)
Cunningham (Newmilns)
MacLean (Rothesay Royal Victoria)
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Sun Jul 14, 2013 7:21 am

Here is the Scotland selected line-up (Evening Times 23rd March 1961) versus Ireland at Fir Park, Motherwell played on Friday 24th March 1961 and under floodlights.

Gray (Arthurlie)
Izap (Glenafton Athletic)
Brown (Cambuslang Rangers)
McDerment (Johnstone Burgh)
McKerral (Largs Thistle)
Newlands (Cambuslang Rangers) (Captain)
Conlin (Camelon)
McQuarrie (Largs Thistle)
Hainey (Johnstone Burgh)
McKechnie (Kirkintilloch Rob Roy)
Henderson (Arthurlie)

Scotland Goalscorers: McQuarrie and Brown
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 7:06 am

Here is the Scotland line-up plus other details from the 1914 match v England at Coventry.

Ross (Cambuslang Rangers)
Anderson (Renfrew Juniors)
Gibb (Cambuslang Rangers)
Walker (Benburb)
McMullen (Captain) (Denny Hibs)
Connell (Perthshire)
Taylor (Aberdeen)
Miller (Tranent)
Croall (Renfrew Juniors)
Montgomerie (Bellshill Athletic)
Dunn (Ashfield)

Referee Mr J Mason (Burslem)
Attendance 3,000
Source: The Courier and Midland Daily Telegraph 6th April 1914
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Mon Jul 15, 2013 8:16 pm

The Scotland team as selected to play England in 1910 in Birmingham:

Archibald (Bowhill Thistle)
Geechern (Bonnyrigg Rose Athletic)
Kelly (Glasgow Ashfield) Captain
Brown (Kilwinning Rangers)
Wright (Port Glasgow Athletic Juniors)
McFie (Glasgow Perthshire)
McHolland (Aberdeen St Andrews) Other reports say the first cap from an Aberdeen club.
King (Shotts United)
Parker (Glasgow Ashfield)
Sharpe (Kilbirnie Ladeside)
Blackwood (St Ninians Thistle)

Source: Evening Telegraph and Post 25 March 1910

After the match both teams sat down to dinner at the White Horse Hotel before adjourning to the Hippodrome Theatre for an evening's entertainment and then the Scots returned home.
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby BMCCOLL » Mon Jul 15, 2013 10:18 pm

The Spreadsheet is coming along brilliantly. We now have most of the pre-war line ups etc and are working quickly through the post 1945 matches. However, any help, no matter how little is always welcome.

Cheers
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Tue Jul 16, 2013 7:05 am

Here is the Scotland team (as selected) to play England in 1898

Crum (Strathclyde)
Allan (Broxburn Athletic)
Pollok (Wishaw Victoria)
Karl (Daziel Rovers)
Elliot (Heywood Wanderers)
Cairney (Dumbarton Albion)
Baker (Chryston Athletic)
Murray (Parkhead)
McKay (Kilsyth)
Dailly (Dundee North End)
Templeton (Rugby Eleven)

Source: The Evening Telegraph 1 April 1898
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Tue Jul 16, 2013 1:24 pm

Here is the Scotland team as selected for the match v England in 1901 from the Evening Post 12 March 1901

McNair (Cadzow Oak)
Cunningham (Vale of Grange)
Moffat (Irvine Meadow Eleven) Captain
Barrie (Parkhead)
Cameron (Clydebank Juniors)
Fairweather (Dundee Stobswell)
Lang (Co-Operative United)
Clarkson (Burnbank Athletic)
Mair (Newmilns)
Cairns (Dundee East Craigie)
Dysart (Ashfield)

The Courier of 1 April 1901 says the gate receipts were £130 and the referee was T Robertson.
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby Snuff » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:18 pm

I was intrigued by bluedragon's listing of the team v England, at Coventry in 1914.

Although his name is spelled there with an "e", I am sure the captain: "J McMullen (Denny Hibs), is the same Jimmy McMullan who led another Scotland team to a rather more famous win over England, on 31 March, 1928.
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby HibeeJibee » Tue Jul 16, 2013 2:27 pm

I imagine one of the main contributors will have all this info and more... but details of matches in the Quadrangular Tournament (which started in 1993-94 as the Guinness Cup, became the Statoil Cup, and has most recently been the Umbro Tournament) are here:

http://www.scottishfa.co.uk/sjfa/scotti ... ?page=1739
http://web.archive.org/web/201009081339 ... otland.htm

It ran annually from 1993-94 to 2000-01, and subsequent editions have been in 2002-03, 2004-05, 2007-08 and 2009-10. It seems like it may now be defunct.


There have also been occasional friendlies during this time, including but almost certainly not restricted to...
* 1990-91 ... 13 Oct ... Eire 1-4 Scotland @ Limerick
* 1991-92 ... presumably Oct game Scotland v Eire? ... 25 Apr ... NI 0-4 Scotland @ Ballyskeagh
* 1992-93 ... 10 Oct ... Eire 0-2 Scotland @ Sligo ... 27 Mar ... Scotland 4-1 NI @ Auchinleck
* 1993-94 ... 23 Oct ... Scotland 2-0 Eire @ Bo'ness ... 26/7 Mar ... NI 0-1 Scotland @ Loughall
* 2006-07 ... 28 Apr ... Eire 4-2 Scotland @ Tolka Park, Dulbin
* 2007-08 ... 22 Sep ... Scotland 0-1 Eire @ Petershill
* 2012-13 ... 6 Oct ... Eire 1-1 Scotland @ Tipperary


There was also at least one 'age-grade' international:
* 1993-94 ... 28 May ... North Wales Coast FA U23s v Scotland Junior U23s, @ Holywell
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby Scottish » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:06 pm

Snuff wrote:I was intrigued by bluedragon's listing of the team v England, at Coventry in 1914.

Although his name is spelled there with an "e", I am sure the captain: "J McMullen (Denny Hibs), is the same Jimmy McMullan who led another Scotland team to a rather more famous win over England, on 31 March, 1928.


Maybe a brother or cousin. The more famous Jimmy McMullan made his senior debut for Partick Thistle v Kilmarnock in November 1913. Maybe you didn't cover that game :twisted:
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby Snuff » Tue Jul 16, 2013 4:50 pm

Scottish wrote:
Maybe a brother or cousin. The more famous Jimmy McMullan made his senior debut for Partick Thistle v Kilmarnock in November 1913. Maybe you didn't cover that game


I perhaps thought the time-honoured Ayrshire junior tradition of playing "ringers" might have been picked-up by the SJFA of the time.

I must ask Uncle Joe Black if he remembers the match. I didn't cover it, wearing my steelhelmet and flak jacket I was covering Auchinleck v Cumnock that day. :lol:
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Tue Jul 16, 2013 6:38 pm

Snuff wrote:I was intrigued by bluedragon's listing of the team v England, at Coventry in 1914.

Although his name is spelled there with an "e", I am sure the captain: "J McMullen (Denny Hibs), is the same Jimmy McMullan who led another Scotland team to a rather more famous win over England, on 31 March, 1928.


I have seen the further posts about dates of senior debuts. However, I have another newspaper report of the game that says "McMullan". This report does not have the full line-ups just a report of the game with a few players mentioned. I took "McMullen" from another newspaper that had the full line-ups.
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby bluedragon » Wed Jul 17, 2013 7:14 am

Two line-ups and details from 1902

V England

Scotland v England as selected and in Evening Telegraph 4 April 1902

Rae (Dunipace)
Calman (Colman?) (Maryhill)
Reid (Cromberry)
Horn (Yoker Athletic)
McIntosh (Alva)
Williamson (Glencairn)
Lang (Co-Op United)
McNiff (Dundee Violet)
Bennett (Glencairn)
Bolton (Port Glasgow Juniors)
Hamilton (Canbuslang Hibs)

Referee Mr Capes (Burton on Trent)

Dundee Courier 7 April 1902 gives the result as 3-3

v Ireland

This game was played on 1 March 1902

Report 8 March 1902 Falkirk Herald and Midland Counties Journal - Attendance 10,000

Report 3 March 1902 The Courier – Gate receipts £200

Scotland v Ireland as selected and in Evening Telegraph 21 February 1902

Rae (Dunipace)
Rogers (Burnbank Athletic) Captain
Walker (Maryhill)
Horn (Yoker Athletic) a unanimous selection
McIntosh (Alva Albion Rangers)
Williamson (Rutherglen Glencairn)
Lang (Co-Operative United)
McNiff (Dundee Violet)
Bennett (Rutherglen Glencairn)
Bolton (Port Glasgow Juniors)
Hamilton (Cambuslang Hibs)
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Re: Junior Internationals - Scotland v England

Postby prorege » Wed Jul 17, 2013 11:41 am

A few other snippets:

29/12/1894, Scotland v Ireland - Junior International, at Dalzell Park, Motherwell, Advertised in the Motherwell Times of 22/12/1894 and 29/12/1894. However, perusal of the match report in the 5/1/1895 issue of the Motherwell Times says it was a Lanarkshire Junior League v Irish Junior League fixture (5-3).

31/12/1894, Scotland v Ireland, at Kelburne Park. Scotland won 4-1. Two of the Scotland goals were scored by McIntyre and Ingram.
Reported in the Courier of 1/1/1895 as a Junior International Match.

March 13 1915
Ireland v Scotland
Team (as per Courier pre-match)
Ross (Cambuslang Ragers)
Kent (Bent Royal Oak)
Grant (Muirkirk Athletic)
McIntyre (Petershill)
Armour (Dreghorn)
Murray (Loanhead)
Stalker (St Ninians)
Miller (Tranent)
McDermid (Ashfield)
Robertson (Blantyre Vics)
Rutherford (Kilbirnie Ladeside)
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