Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Steve Bell » Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:40 am

Thanks David for these details.

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Rob R » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:17 am

Thirds also did a tour of USA in 1961, I have the results in a box somewhere, but we've just moved back into our house after getting it fixed after the earthquake, finally , 3 years ago and there is boxes everywhere still unopened. I also believe they did a tour of South America between the wars , but my interest is Post WW2 as a programme collector , as Pre WW2 programmes are scarce.

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Rob R » Thu Mar 13, 2014 6:33 am

I also enquired on this site maybe a year or so ago about a friendly they played against a Highland League side the night before a Scotland V England game at Hampden late 1950s or early 60s that gave the fixture in the paper ,but no result the next day. and no one on this site was able to help me. I also enquired about a programme I have Morton V Thirds at Cappielow from 1961 a friendly, as it turned out Morton being the odd team in 19 that weekend played what turned out to be a Thirds 3rd X1 , Which I can only conclude to be a team of trialists , as most Scottish League teams in they days had only two teams (Rangers/Celtic/ Queens Park apart ). The result of the match was hidden in the stop press of the ET that Saturday, as some eagle eyed member of this site pointed out to me. The Morton team lineup was typical of that season but the Thirds lineup Was To Be Announced.

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Partick Thistle » Fri Mar 14, 2014 2:29 pm

Another game for your list Steve...

Amazingly, Third Lanark and Partick Thistle only played 1 friendly post 1920. I guess they probably sick of the sight of each other what with all the local tournaments.

Partick Thistle 2 Third Lanark 1
Saturday 26th May 1951 (played at Dunoon Stadium)
att: 2,500, scorers: Willie Crawford, Norman McCreadie / ?
Partick Thistle line up: Tommy Ledgerwood, Hugh Brown, Peter Collins, Bertram Thomson, Jackie Husband, Davie Mathers, Johnny McKenzie, Willie Crawford, Beveridge, McPhail, Norman McCreadie
Third Lanark line up: Petrie, Dick, ???mall, Orr, Samuel, Moonson?, ?????son, McKenzie, Love, McCall, Staroscik?
Referee: J. Fitzgerald (Dunoon)

The Pink Times first-half report reads:
"The first real thrill in this Dunoon festival match came along in the fifth minute when McCall almost opened Thirds' scoring. His attempt appeared bound for the net when Ledgerwood brought off a great save. Prior to that, the Thirds were the more dangerous team and forced three corners in quick succession. The only time during this stage that Petrie was called to action was when he saved a long shot from McCreadie. As the game progressed, Partick improved, and in 25 minutes opened the scoring through CRAWFORD. Third Lanark should have equalised five minutes later, but Love missed his kick in front of an empty goal. Third were having by far more of the play, but their finishing was weak. The Thistle, on the other hand, were dangerous in their few attacks, and a great run and cross by McKenzie almost got a second goal. Half time - Partick Thistle, 1; Third Lanark, 0." ~ The Evening Times, 26th May 1951

Does anyone know who the Beveridge and McPhail in question were? They are one-offs in the Thistle appearances story.

Also, would anyone familiar with the Thirds care to take a stab at my ink-splodge question-mark mysteries?
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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Scottish » Fri Mar 14, 2014 4:59 pm

Felix Staroscik was one of many Polish soldiers and airmen who fled the Nazis in 1939 and remained in Britain after the war. He played as a winer/inside-forward for Thirds for several years before moving south to Northampton Town.

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Alan Brown » Fri Mar 14, 2014 6:14 pm

After checking on my Thirds records for season 1950/51, I would say that it's a possibility that Harry Mooney was number 6 and George Henderson was number 7 in your line up.
These match the positions they played in for Thirds. The only players that made an appearance in the number 3 position that season for Thirds were James Harrower and James Rodger. Although James Archibald did play in that position v Reading on 14th May in the Festival of Britain Cup. It could possibly be Connell, who made one appearance in 50/51 in the Charity Cup v Rangers on 5th May 1951?

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Partick Thistle » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:23 pm

^ Solid stuff, cheers. Looking again at No.3, I could be persuaded to vote for "New-man"...

http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=3_ ... %2C1802520

BTW, I've seen the term "Festival of Britain Cup" applied to loads of those friendly matches in that 2 week in May 1951 period - surely one of the biggest red-herrings going? I dug into it recently while investigating the Thirds v Jags game and, as far as I can tell, there were three ACTUAL Cup tournaments and about 150-200 Festival of Britain friendlies in the period. The three bona fide Cups were Dagenham Festival of Britain Cup, the North Devon (and Somerset) Festival of Britain Cup and also The Festival of Britain Cup - which was essentially the Ulster Cup re-named for 1 season.
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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Alan Brown » Fri Mar 14, 2014 7:48 pm

Yes totally agree with you, I will change the "Festival of Britain Cup" match on 14th May to a Friendly.
I am going way off track here, but would you happen to have a date of death for Alexander Kay, a player
with Partick Thistle in season 1900/01? He made 19 appearances for Thistle that season.
There are several possibilities from the list at snwm.org

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Partick Thistle » Fri Mar 14, 2014 8:01 pm

Can't help you there Alan, sorry - I'm yet a bambini Thistle historian. The 1,800 players task looms large on the horizon like a dark cloud...
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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Steve Bell » Fri Mar 14, 2014 9:15 pm

Another game for your list Steve...

Amazingly, Third Lanark and Partick Thistle only played 1 friendly post 1920. I guess they probably sick of the sight of each other what with all the local tournaments.

Partick Thistle 2 Third Lanark 1
Saturday 26th May 1951 (played at Dunoon Stadium)
Thanks for this PT.

The TL left-back name does look like Newman.

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Alan Brown » Fri Mar 14, 2014 11:07 pm

PT I have found the Alexander Kay I was after. Thanks anyway.

KAY, ALEXANDER

Rank:
Rifleman
Service No:
S/1989
Date of Death:
15/02/1917
Age:
38
Regiment/Service:
Rifle Brigade

"C" Coy. 11th Bn.
Panel Reference
Pier and Face 16 B and 16 C.
Memorial
THIEPVAL MEMORIAL

Additional Information:

Son of Mr. and Mrs. George Kay, of Gilmore Place, Edinburgh. A professional footballer.

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Steve Bell » Sun Mar 23, 2014 2:47 pm

Another Third Lanark friendly match.

Saturday, 5th April 1947 St Johnstone 1 TL 5

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Steve Bell » Sun Mar 23, 2014 8:05 pm

and another one..............

Saturday, 13th May 1950 Peterhead 0 TL 2

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Steve Bell » Tue Mar 25, 2014 6:24 pm

The Ireland tour of 1948 was a 3 game tour. Linfield (3-1) and Ballymena (5-1) were the other friendlies in addition to the one v Leinster League XI.
I don't have the dates of the matches, but I think the results came from Bert Bell's book.
Linfield, Saturday 17th April
Ballymena, Wednesday 21st April

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Re: Kilmarnock 5 Admira Wien 0, 7th April 1954

Post by Steve Bell » Thu Apr 03, 2014 4:30 pm

Another TL friendly.

Saturday, 1st October 1949 TL 3 Bangor (Northern Ireland) 2

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