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Harold Uren

Post by J.S.Norway » Mon Jul 22, 2019 8:20 pm

He played for Everton, Liverpool and Wrexham just before WW1. Was he a Lochgelly United player between 1914-20?

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by bluedragon » Mon Jul 22, 2019 11:08 pm

I have only had a quick look but I am wondering if the Lochgelly United player is a different player?

There is a player named Uren who joined Dunfermline Athletic in October 1915. However, he was a half back and it is said his previous club was Plymouth Argyle. In 1920 a player named Uren is playing 9 miles away for Lochgelly United. It is not a common surname in Scotland.

There are two players named Uren playing for Penzance Argyle in 1914/15. ER Uren is a half back and G Uren is a forward. could ER Uren be the Lochgelly player?

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by sureitsza » Tue Jul 23, 2019 8:13 am

According to enfa.co.uk, Harold J Uren played for
Millbank Juniors, Northern Nomads, Wrexham, Hoylake, Liverpool, Everton, Lochgelly Utd 1902/1903 to 1914/1915.

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by gogsy1968 » Tue Jul 23, 2019 4:38 pm

According to the book "There was a Happyland" written by David Allen Harold Uren signed for Lochgelly United at start of 1919/20 season. He is described as ex Liverpool, Everton and Portsmouth.

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by J.S.Norway » Tue Jul 23, 2019 5:04 pm

I went through England, Wales and Scotland FA registrations of players 1914-1919. I found Fred Uren for Dunfermline in October 1915. J. Uren in August 1919 for Lochgelly United. Harold John Uren was in Royal Artillery during WW1. All his children from 1911 to 1926 was born in Wirral, Cheshire. His daughter Mary Olive there in 1919. And he is FA reg. as a player for local club West Kirkby 23/8-1919. I have never heard before that he played for Portsmouth. I don`t think there is a book with Portsmouth line-ups during WW1.

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by J.S.Norway » Tue Jul 23, 2019 10:09 pm

Nobody named Uren played for Plymouth and Portsmouth in Southern League 1914/15 and 1919/20 seasons.

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by bluedragon » Wed Jul 24, 2019 12:03 pm

Fascinating stuff!

UREN

From what I can make out the surname Uren appears to be a fairly common surname in the English West Country and indeed Harold Uren was born in Bristol.

NEWSPAPERS

A search of the newspaper archive supports the view that the player in Fife was not Harold Uren.

Dunfermline Athletic v Kirkcaldy United Eastern League 23 October 1915.

“Considerable interest is evinced in the capture of Uren, Plymouth Argyll (sic), who will make his first appearance for the Athletic against the Kirkcaldy team. Uren is a half-back with a fine reputation.” [Dundee Courier - Friday 22 October 1915].

The most obvious explanation is that Fred Uren was in the Royal Navy and found himself posted from the naval base in Plymouth to Rosyth and Dunfermline Athletic signed him. It is possible that he actually played for Penzance Argyle and the name of his club got confused with their relatively near neighbour that shared the same suffix. The fact that you know Harold Uren was in the Royal Artillery means that you can discount him being one of the many Navy men from all over the country who played football when based at Rosyth.

The Lochgelly United player made his debut for the club on 24 January 1920 in a Scottish Cup match versus Clachnacuddin. However, the match report suggests that he was a youngster rather than an experienced player: “Uren proved a very useful player, and should be persevered with…”

A reference in the Liverpool Echo (27 April 1917) suggests Harold might have joined the Army at around that date or maybe that was when he received an officer’s commission. Another report suggests that Wrexham was his last significant club and he then concentrated on the family business founded by his father, the provision merchants HJ Uren & Sons. It appears that his father died at around the time of the First World War and Harold then took over the business that would leave him little time after the War to play other than local football.

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by J.S.Norway » Wed Jul 24, 2019 1:44 pm

British Army WW1 Pension Records 1914-1920.
NAME: Harold John Uren
GENDER: Male
REGIMENTAL NUMBER: 226034
REGIMENT NAME: Royal Artillery (Royal Horse Artillery and Royal Field Artillery)
FORM TITLE: Cover for Discharge Documents
I believe this is the ex LFC player.

In 1913/14 he scored 17 goals in 55 games for Wrexham. (League & Cups.)
He is not listed with any clubs in England, Wales & Scotland 1914/15.

In FA registrations list:
1919/20
Uren, H.J. 23rd August.
1920/21
Uren, H.J. 13th November

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by J.S.Norway » Wed Jul 24, 2019 2:44 pm

Excellent!!

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by Gordon Baird » Wed Jul 24, 2019 7:19 pm

When Frederick Uren began playing for Dunfermline he was employed at the munitions/ordnance works at Crombie, a couple of miles along the coast from Rosyth.
He was still working there in September 1916 - he was fined for showing too much illumination from his house at 23 Camp Road in Crombie!

There was a Uren, presumably Fred, playing for junior side Rosyth Recreation in 1920/21.


By that point he was married to Beatrice. According to electoral registers, he continued to live at different addresses in Crombie until the early 1960's.

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Re: Harold Uren

Post by bluedragon » Thu Jul 25, 2019 12:07 pm

There was a Frederick Uren whose death was registered in Dunfermline in 1960 age 72. That would make his date of birth 1887 or 1888. There is no Scottish birth record for a Frederick Uren. However, a Frederick Uren was born in the Quarter to 31 December 1887 at St Germans in Cornwall that is about 14 miles from Plymouth. He appears to be playing football for St Austell (about 49 miles from Plymouth) on 12 October 1912. He appears in the 1901 and 1911 census living in the Plymouth area with his family. He was one of 14 children.

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