Scottish Football Reminiscences, 1890

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Scottish Football Reminiscences, 1890

Post by ScottishFA » Tue Apr 01, 2008 12:24 pm

I just stumbled across this link

http://www.pgdp.net/c/project.php?id=pr ... il_level=1

It is part of a project to digitise old texts, and despite being a US/Canadian operation it has got hold of a copy of DD Bone's 'Scottish Football Reminiscences' published in 1890, and currently residing in the University of Michigan Library.

If you follow the links, the whole book has been scanned. The original is very rare - copy in the National Library of Scotland but I've never seen another - and is an amazing resource on the early years of Scottish football. In particular, it has short biogs of many early international players.

You may have to register with the site to get full access, but it is free and hasn't generated any spam.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Tue Apr 01, 2008 1:07 pm

Took me 2 minutes to register. Astonishing stuff.

You can download the contents as a text file

A few samples

Association and Rugby, dribbling being largely indulged in, but the goal-*posts
were similar to those now in use under the latter code of rules, and a
goal could not be scored unless the ball went over the posts. This game
made considerable progress in Edinburgh, being vigorously promoted by
scholastic clubs and students attending college. Some years later, when
the number of young gentlemen sent over from England to be educated in
Scotland, particularly Edinburgh, began to increase, these old rules were
subjected to considerable alteration, and eventually assimilated to those of
the English Rugby Union, and all the known clubs in Scotland at that time
adhered tenaciously to these rules, and under them many exciting games
were played between Eastern and Western clubs, the Glasgow Academicals
and Edinburgh Academicals being the leading ones. Eventually, however,
the new clubs springing into existence in the Western District of the
country did not care to play these rules, and, following the example of
similar clubs in England, adhered to what they considered an improvement
on the old system of Football, and joined the English Football Association,
formed in 1863. The first to do this was the Queen's Park, the mother of
Association Football in Scotland, in 1867, and the example was soon
followed by the Clydesdale, 3rd L.R.V., Vale of Leven, Granville, and
others, a few years afterwards. Well can I remember witnessing several
exciting tussles on the Queen's Park recreation ground (then the only meeting-place of the Premier Association Club), between the Vale of Leven,Hamilton, East Kilbride, Clydesdale, Granville, and 3rd L.R.V. Since
then the spread and popularity of the Association style of play has been so
often written about that it is, so to speak, bound up in the actual history of
the Western District of Scotland. In Edinburgh, however, the new rules
have not made so much headway, the Rugby code being there as
extensively played as of yore. Some advances, however, have taken
place, and the Edinburgh University has an Association team, and that city
several promising clubs, including the Hibernian, Heart of Midlothian,
and St. Bernard, and, in Leith, the Athletic, that made such a plucky fight
with the Queen's Park in a recent cup tie.

The last paragraph reads

It may also be mentioned that the premier club have not held the trophy since 1885-86,when they defeated Renton by three goals to one; but of the seventeen matches played in the final the Queen's Park have carried off no fewer than nine, while the Vale come next with three.
Jackson; James; Jackson; James; Jackson

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Post by Scottish » Wed Apr 02, 2008 12:33 am

Amazing stuff. Scotland v America 1901 - the game of the future. And all those ads - worse than nowadays for 'celebrity' endorsements

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:35 am

scottish wrote:Amazing stuff. Scotland v America 1901 - the game of the future....
I'll add it to the Unofficial List ......

:lol:

Interesting team selection!

Scotland.F. Wallace (South-Side Swifts), goalkeeper; T. Glen
(Queen's Park), D. Smollet (Vale of Leven), backs; W. M'Millan
(Dumbarton), F. M'Neil (Rangers), half-backs; K. M'Geake (Pollokshields
Athletic), P. Livingstone (Kilmarnock), K. Watt (Edinburgh
Rovers), T. Stewart (Volunteer A.C.), T. D. Coats (Paisley Combination),
and G. F. Turnbull (Clyde), forwards.

America.--W. R. C. Lincoln (New York Caledonian), goalkeeper; V.H. Grant (Texas Rovers), W. C. Vanderbilt (Hamilton State Swifts),
backs; J. H. Armstrong (Chicago Association), D. Steel (Nebraska
Electric), half-backs; D. C. Bramey (Victoria Boys), R. S. Chandler
(Utah Gentiles), P. Whitehouse (Newhaven), J. S. Bryan (Alaska
Pilgrims), W. D. Bangle (San Francisco Racers), and T. Lawrence
(Washington House), forwards.

Umpires.--J. W. Marindin (South Australia), and D. Y. Jones
(Canadian Association).

Referee.--W. H. Littleton (English Association)
Jackson; James; Jackson; James; Jackson

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:05 pm

Sorry, I missed that. Is there a date, venue & score for the Scotland vs. America game? I see the dreaded name "Marindin" as an umpire (see my previous submissions on this forum re Queen`s Park`s English Cup finals!!). Not one name in the "Scottish" side is familiar to me. I reckon it must really have been a 3rd Xl. None played in any international trials about this period and no T.Glen made a 1st Xl appearance for Queen`s Park. I`d guess the T.Stewart of "Volunteers AC" played for 3rd Lanark Rifle Volunteers Athletic Club (3rd LRV). The name was changed to 3rd Lanark Athletic Club in 1903 when it became a limited company.

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Post by Scottish » Thu Apr 03, 2008 10:27 pm

LEATHERSTOCKING wrote:Sorry, I missed that. Is there a date, venue & score for the Scotland vs. America game?
April 1st, I presume. It wasn't a real match but an 1890 vision of the future.

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Post by LEATHERSTOCKING » Fri Apr 04, 2008 7:33 am

GULLIBLE, Moi?

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Post by BMCCOLL » Sat Apr 05, 2008 3:47 pm

If my memory serves, the SFH ran this piece yonks ago.

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Post by Rob » Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:30 pm

This makes you wonder what other great gems are out there. Time to get my Google Wizard skills going.

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Post by ScottishFA » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:19 pm

The book is now freely available online, without registration, from Project Gutenberg.

See this link: http://www.gutenberg.org/files/28028/28 ... 8028-h.htm

or for more general info, this link: http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/28028

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Post by Scottish » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:54 pm

From the early 20th century there's this by former player John Cameron: http://www.archive.org/details/associat ... 00camerich

This can be downloaded or read online.

Being a largely American site there isn't a great deal on proper fitba but there are some interesting tomes - mostly "borrowed" (and on a fairly long-term basis) from US libraries. Bernard Joy's 'Soccer Tactics' from the 1950s is here - http://www.archive.org/details/soccertactics017878mbp

For a specifically American take on how to play the game try this:
http://www.archive.org/details/socceril ... e001192mbp

This 19th century publication http://www.archive.org/details/athletic ... 00shearich doesn't get on to football till page 358

I'm sure there will be more if you're prepared to wade through a lot of American football stuff to get to the goodies. The site itself - http://www.archive.org/index.php - is quite a little treasure trove, especially for audio and live music downloads.

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