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Post by BMCCOLL » Wed Mar 14, 2007 2:46 pm

It was considered, and this may have been one of the factors for a united Aberdeen club.

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Post by Burnie_man » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:07 pm

LLD wrote:AFAIK, Bathgate Park occupied the site where the New Street bus garage was later built, basically immediately east of Waverley train station.
That sounds about right. I'm assuming that the bus garage is now also gone, what's built in it's place?

Anyone got any further ideas about Woods Park?

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Post by the hibLOG » Wed Mar 14, 2007 8:46 pm

The bus depot is now shiny offices and penthouse apartments I believe.

Bathgate Park must have been a short lived park if that's where it was, and the turf must have been interesting. On the old maps up to 1919 there is a large gas works there, latterly marked as disused, then a blank space in 1925. The land sloped quite steeply down from the Canongate towards Calton Road. Was there seriously a football pitch there for probably no more than 10 years?
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Post by iainbhern » Wed Mar 14, 2007 11:46 pm

I can say with some certainty that the site of Bathgate Park was not at New Street. The bus depot was opened in November 1928 and so it's safe to assume that work to clear the site and infill the coking ovens and gas storage tanks at the gasworks must have commenced in 1925 or 1926. Having done some searching I can find no historical reference to a Bathgate Park in Edinburgh at all. The site of the bus depot is to be a mixture of shops, offices, bars and restaurants.

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Post by the hibLOG » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:30 am

I must agree that it seems totally unlikely that there could have been a ground there.

However, just found this: http://www.visitnewcastleton.com/site/v ... index_html which is a piece about the club Hearts of Liddesdale from Newcastleton. The relevant bit says:
In the 1924 season the club contested the Lumley Cup against Gala Rovers. This game was played at Bathgate Park Edinburgh, where the team experienced playing on cinders for the first time. The gate was 7,000 and the match ended in a 1-1 draw.
So it was a cinder pitch, which seems more plausible for the old gas works site! No mention of the Canongate right enough, but there are definitely plenty of references to a Bathgate Park in Edinburgh - searches bring up a few games on London Hearts database for example - maybe Davy could dig out his sources for those references.
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Post by Sat31March1928 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:41 pm

Here is the report for this game played on 22nd Nov 1922

http://londonhearts.com/scores/games/19221122.html

Hearts drawing 4-4 with the Edinburgh Midweek XI

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 12:53 pm

Searching in the SDA the earliest mention of Bathgate Park was

Musselburgh Commrades 1 West Calder Juniors 0 Undecided Simpson Shield Tie at BP Edinburgh.

From 30th March 1926

"The question of purchase of ..... BP ... by the SMT was referred to by Baillie Mancor at a meeting of the electors of the Canongate Ward"

From 12th March 1927 invitations to tender from the SMT to do work on their new premises at BP.


So it looks as if it was at the site of the New Street Bus Depot.

I'll post the full stories tonight.

Incidently I was working there as a Bus Conductor when I herad the news that John Lennon had been shot.
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Post by Burnie_man » Thu Mar 15, 2007 5:29 pm

Look forward to reading the contemporary reports of the demise of Bathgate Park. Again just to clarify, Bathgate Park was home of Edinburgh's last well supported & succesful Junior club - Edinburgh Emmet - who folded a couple of years after they were evicted. Their ground was also used for a fair few ESJFA Finals.

I'm not exactly sure when the ground was first used by Emmet.

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:10 pm

First mention of sale 29th March 1926

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 6:12 pm

Council meeting 6th May 1926

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Post by Sat31March1928 » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:01 pm

SMT Contracts march 1927

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Post by Scottish » Thu Mar 15, 2007 7:18 pm

Sat31March1928 wrote: Incidently I was working there as a Bus Conductor when I herad the news that John Lennon had been shot.
Not so happy days, eh? I was working in an abattoir at the time.

I presume the SMT in Edinburgh had the same coats for conductors as the Western SMT? A conductor mate of mine 'lent' me one on a freezing night coming back from the dancing in Kilmarnock.

It lasted me for several winters and I never paid a bus fare once while I was wearing it
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Post by Burnie_man » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:26 pm

Cheers Davy, interesting stuff.

From the ESJFA Centenary booklet published in 1986 (and taken from an article originally penned by George Robertson in 1950):

"In the 20's Edinburgh Emmet, Portobello Thistle & Edinburgh Rosebery played within the City's confines. Through the good offices of Bailie Bathgate, the Emmet were granted the site of the old gasworks in Canongate. The Emmet by virtue of the central situation of Bathgate Park have been the only Edinburgh side to achieve any success with gates averaging over 2,000. The loss of Bathgate Park sounded the death knell of the Emmet. The site now occupied by the garage of the Eastern Scottish Bus Group. Emmet's outstanding contribution to the Senior grade was Hibs and Scotland goalkeeper Willie Harper from Winchburgh."

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Post by Scottish » Thu Mar 15, 2007 11:35 pm

Has anyone ever come up with a convincing reason why Edinburgh - alone of the four big cities - has never been able to sustain a reasonable level of interest in Junior football?

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Post by Burnie_man » Fri Mar 16, 2007 12:02 am

It's an interesting question, the same question I suppose as to why Glasgow and Ayrshire is such a desert for Senior non-league clubs.

Edinburgh United hang on by their fingernails every season, despite fielding a reasonably successful team, they're lucky if they get 10 paying home supporters. Mind you being based in Colinton probably doesn't help.

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